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have you tried ................

Postby freq on Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:54 pm

just wondering if any of you have had experience with these martial arts as they are the ones currently confirmed for the fight for life seminar, was wondering if anyone can give me a little bit of insight into the more unknown of these? personal experences and comparisons would be great as i would love to know what we are in for (hell regarless its gunna be two days of fun :thumbsup: )

Martial arts already committed:
Jujutsu, Judo, Karate, BJJ, Ninjutsu, Aikijutsu, Aikido, Wrestling, Thai boxing, Zen Do Kai, MMA, Iaido, Kobudo, Wing Chun, Kenpo, Systema, KAPAP, Arnis, Taekwando, Hapkido, Jeet Kune Do

Awaitnig conformation of:
Kendo, Naginata, Krav Maga, Kemka Silat

i know some of the "residents" of ozbudo study these arts therefore their opinions and insights would be much appreciated especialy in regards to tech style, comming from a jujitsu/judo background gives me a narrow insight into non jappanese ma thanx luke
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Re: have you tried ................

Postby Chrislg on Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:12 pm

Hi Freq, its been a while. Yes to Jujutsu, Judo, Karate, BJJ, Aikido, Thai boxing, MMA, Arnis (well, Escrima) and Krav Maga, no to the rest, but we did have a Kemka Silat seminar with Ivan McWilliams recently. Do you have any specific questions about any of these?
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Re: have you tried ................

Postby freq on Sun Apr 25, 2010 8:32 am

yeah just wondering what type of things these styles are well known for eg judo- throwing, kaili stick- fighting im mainly trying to get a feel for them so im not going in blind to what they teach, also hopeing to find out what people have had good experiences with or bad experences with.

As i said have done judo, jujitsu, aikido/aikijutsu had a little experience with kali :bsl: , iado :katana but thats about it as far as practical learning goes.
Arts such as ninjitsu and krav maga that are somewhat mythologised are hard to find out accurate info on so thought i would ask for opinions from people who have done them because its easy as an outsider to make callls on style with no grounding eg hapkido to me from what ive seen seems to combine aiki/jujitsu body movements and locks with the aerial ability of tkd (sorry shawn to use hapkido :) ) not that this seems to be a problem, but im not much for high kicks so need to start working my flexibilty back up.
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Re: have you tried ................

Postby Chrislg on Sun Apr 25, 2010 10:02 am

I think most of the arts I have mentioned are well known, but Krav Maga is a broad based martial art that seems to be composed of karate/muay thai strikes, some judo throws and takedowns, judo and BJJ groundwork, modified Filipino stick and knife defence, plus military style conventional weaponry (guns, grenades etc). I also includes 3rd party protection etc. The thing that sets krav apart from some of its base styles is the scenario training, which makes for quite realistic application practices.
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Re: have you tried ................

Postby progdan on Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:14 pm

I've attended a seminar which was on Iaijutsu (drawing of the sword, similar to Iaido) and Naginatajutsu. I found them to be interesting and informative, but not super applicable to real life situations, mostly learned forms and techniques which were a lot of fun, but couldn't get a whole lot out of it without studying it as an art long-term imo. The Naginata I'd never heard of before the seminar, but its a super-long bladed pole which was mainly used by females back in the day, quite interesting.

On Krav Maga, I did it for the whole of last year, and found it really straight-forward and easy to understand and apply. The scenario training really helped with developing awareness, and strategies for dealing with multiple attackers. As Chris said, it seems to use a whole range of techniques out of various standup, ground and weapons systems. Obviously no system will cover everything, but I found it to be an excellent general introduction to self-defense and martial arts covering most areas of potential conflict.

I've only had a brief introduction to Muay Thai, but what I did I really enjoyed, I hope to be able to do more in the future, if I get time, and if I get over my fear of being kneed in the guts... :D

In more recent times I've been studying BJJ under Ash, and that's been fantastic, I never really liked it when they covered BJJ techniques while I was at Krav, mainly because I didn't have an understanding of the fundamentals, but now that I'm starting to learn those basics, I'm really enjoying it! :thumbsup:

I haven't really had all that much experience though, all this has occurred from the beginning of last year...
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Re: have you tried ................

Postby Shawn on Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:51 am

freq wrote:its easy as an outsider to make callls on style with no grounding ittle experience with kali :bsl: , iado :katana but thats about it as far as practical learning goes.eg hapkido to me from what ive seen seems to combine aiki/jujitsu body movements and locks with the aerial ability of tkd (sorry shawn to use hapkido :) )

Quite alright... Combat Hapkido that I teach doesn't fit the normal Hapkido mould.

For reference though, Hapkido is derived from an old system of Aikido, however many that study Hapkido also study Tae Kwon Do, hence the kicks.
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Re: have you tried ................

Postby Shawn on Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:18 am

Jujutsu - No standard syllabus so can vary from school to school. Generally though, circles around standing locks and throws. Generally includes fine motormovement throws and pain-based techniques. Done 3 different styles of this and they weren't all that different. Training in 2 was scenario based and technique based in the other.

Judo - come from Jujutsu (aka Jiu Jitsu) - sport form. Standardised syllabus which focuses on throws, hold downs and large limb locks. No experience here.

Karate - Varies from style to style, but for most, standup striking of straight-line nature. Lots of experience here, but you all get the gist of Karate. Thoughts - may not appeal to high grades of other styles.

BJJ - comes from Judo, known for ground grappling. Holds, chokes and large limb locks. Positioning is the key. Will generally appeal to many.

Aikijutsu - Only done a few classes. Found it much to be like Jiu Jitsu, but with a flowing element, like Aikido.

Aikido - never tried, only watched... generally very traditional (for most schools). Primary principle is to use the other persons movement against them in order to throw or lock them. Strikes are often excluded. I'll certainly be interested in this segment.

Wrestling - that's just BJJ isn't it?? :stirpot hehe, just kidding.

Thai boxing - Ask flyfire

Zen Do Kai - Considered by many as the first free style karate in Australia. Started as Goju but the founder (Bob Jones) found that it didn't work for him as a bouncer, so he added techniques to it, taking from various martial arts. I understand it's got a solid and heavy training method, but I've only read about it.

MMA - Mixed Martial Arts..... who knows. Depends on the instructor. Often based on Kickboxing and BJJ, but it varies.

Iaido - Sword. Very traditional, focuses on that perfect strike.... and that's about the limit of my knowledge there.

Kobudo - Okinawan weaponry. Generally includes weapons such as Tonfa, Sai, Yawara/Kubotan, Bo, Jo, Tanbo, Nunchuku, Kama etc. Done bits and pieces of this, but only a little. Very good fun for beginners, but will be interesting with a room full of them.

Wing Chun - A form of Kung Fu developed by a woman I believe. Focuses on fast punches and trapping with the centreline being the key focus. Done bugger all on this, but the one lesson that Seth taught at the last :ozb: meet and greet was really interesting.

Kenpo - A couple of kenpo guys on here far more qualified than I, but I'll post anyway. Generally considered Chinese Karate (later, American Kenpo came too). Much like Japanese karate but with a bigger focus on flow. The throw a lot more strikes with the emphasis on overwhelming the opponent. Body mechanics are more focus than Japanese karate with a lot of thought going into the setup for each technique. Will be a great segment for the Japanese karate buffs.

Arnis - oh that's Kali :stirpot ... sorry couldn't help myself. I've not done Arnis, but I've done some Kali which has some similarities I believe. Essentially, the use of a rattan stick (or two, or stick and dagger) to attack and defend. Moves are generally fast and many.

Taekwando - A derivative of Japanese Karate with a greater focus on kicks.

Hapkido - Traditional Hapkido is as you described it, large throws and often has high kicks. They concentrate a lot on whip throws and many principles often seen in Aikido.

Jeet Kune Do - Varies from school to school. I've only done it by way of a few seminars and seems to have elements of lots of different systems. A bit hard to quantify this one.


.... and there's a couple I took out cos I know nothing about them.
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Re: have you tried ................

Postby freq on Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:59 pm

seems like we are all on the same page as to what the style each art teaches. was now wondering if those who studied these arts or had done previous seminars in these styles could give me some idea what they either teach or learnt from them eg judo would run something like this beginner - basic throws, intermediate - advanced throws, advanced- throwing defences and counters. would be great help as they are running over one hundred ands forty separate classes over the two days and we have to pick what we want to do so any advice would be much appreciated :thumbsup:
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